INTRO
TONY: Welcome back to the podcast. Today, we're living through one of the fastest periods of change in modern history. AI is transforming industries. Markets are shifting. Entire business models are being reinvented. And what worked yesterday may not work tomorrow.
And in times like these, there's one question that separates those who thrive from those who struggle. How do you keep moving forward when life doesn't go according to plan? Not when things are easy. Not when the market is growing. Not when everyone believes in you—but when the odds seem stacked against you.
Today's guest knows that journey firsthand. He was abandoned at birth, raised in South Central Los Angeles, diagnosed with a degenerative bone disease, and told he might never walk properly. Yet he refused to let someone else's prediction become his reality. He went on to become a professional basketball player, a globally recognized speaker, and the CEO of a multi-million dollar enterprise. Today we're talking about resilience, accountability, leadership, vision, and what it takes to develop what he calls Championship DNA. Joining us today is Eric Bailey. Let's bring him on. Hi, Eric. Welcome to The Tony D'Urso Show.
ERIC: Good morning. How are you? It might be morning here, but I'm not sure where you or your viewers are. It's a beautiful morning here in Brisbane, Australia.
TONY: It is what you make of it sometimes, as we're going to talk about. And if you look at it as a beautiful day, it sure does come out beautiful. What I'd like to do is learn what Championship DNA is, how it's built, and the experiences that shaped you. Could you give us the short version of your story?
INTERVIEW – PART 1 (BACKSTORY: SOUTH CENTRAL, BONE DISEASE & THE BAILEYS)
ERIC: Thanks for having me on the show. My goal in life is to let people everywhere know about the possibilities and opportunities we have each and every day to make a difference.
I was born and raised in South Central Los Angeles in the sixties. I was born with a bone disease. I was told I would never walk, never run. My biological parents heard this prognosis and made a decision on my behalf: we don't want to keep you. So I was adopted by two individuals who couldn't have children. They were both forty-nine years of age, lived in a very rough neighborhood, and they took it upon themselves to bring me into their world and give me the steps and the accountability. They helped me develop the playbook that was going to allow me to fight my way out of what I now call a hood mentality. Because of what they did, it gave me the first taste of what success could look like.
Growing up, there were certain things I had to master: building my character, commitment, creativity, compassion, and courage. All of those became the foundation of what I now call Championship DNA.
Championship DNA is what you have running through your body, through your veins, that you can call on in any given situation to take you from where you are to where you want to be—especially when you have the noise around you. In a nutshell, Championship DNA drives you from survival to actually thriving.
TONY: Absolutely amazing. Those two individuals who took you on, invested in you, had the faith—wow. They must be so proud of what you've accomplished. You've taken all of this and proven that you don't live the life people want you to or expect you to. You live the life you choose, no matter your background. That ties into Championship DNA. Why that phrase?
ERIC: Being a professional athlete, the coaches and teams I played for always used the term: we want to be champions. Sometimes people think champions always have to get the ring, win game seven, always be at the top. But champions are the ones who display those qualities day in and day out.
Some teams, because of a lack of personnel, finances, or infrastructure, can't bring in the best players to compete at the highest level. But you can still compete as long as you're being authentic and being your best self. That's a champion.
I had to look at my disabilities—my bad knees, my asthma—all of those things meant I couldn't practice the same way everybody else did. They were pumping weights and doing miles on the track. I couldn't do any of that. But the things I could do, I had to do them consistently. That's what champions do. Champions work at the highest level they possibly can and don't get distracted.
Championship DNA allows you to use all of your God-given talents and use them consistently so that you can grow to be the best version of yourself. If you do that, then you're a champion.
TONY: That's a very good way to look at it. Use the tools given to you, even if they're different from what you or others might expect. And I'm thinking people have a misconception about success. What is success, really?
ERIC: Success is knowing you have put yourself in a position to be better today than you were yesterday. I come from a neighborhood in South Central where we sometimes had the same meal for five days. The shoes I wore were so tight I had blisters on my feet because my parents couldn't always afford to keep up with my growing size. Even so, my mind kept telling me: just hang in there—it's going to be better.
When I thought about what I wanted in life, I wasn't comparing myself to other people. I was comparing myself to how I felt and thought the day before. If my mindset on Friday was better than on Wednesday, I was growing.
Think about the greatest athletes: Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Kobe Bryant. These individuals were never satisfied with the season behind them. They always looked forward to the season in front of them. They never said, "I've arrived, so I can do nothing." They said, "I've arrived—now I must do more." Why? Because when you continually do more, everyone around you sees that even the greatest aren't satisfied, and that's what they must do too. That's what true leadership is. Leadership is about shining a light on how you can be better. When people see your light, it becomes contagious. That's how I look at what champions really do.
INTERVIEW – PART 2 (VISION VS. GOAL: FEELING IT BEFORE IT HAPPENS)
TONY: One of the things you talk about is vision. You say vision creates direction, and direction creates momentum. I'd like you to tell us the difference between a vision and just having a goal.
ERIC: When you have a vision, you have already seen it. When I was a child and wanted to play basketball, I'd lie awake at night and visualize myself shooting jump shots. I'd count down in the backyard: ten, nine, eight—dribbling—and on the one second I'd jump and take the shot and feel the crowd. I'd feel the exuberance. I said to myself: I've already done this.
And in a real game, I was put in exactly that situation. Everybody jumped around, and I was like, I've already done this before. That is what a vision truly is.
A goal is something you think about, write on a piece of paper, or put in your phone. But if it's not connected to some pain, if it's not connected to you already seeing it, a goal is only words. A vision is connected to real feelings.
My vision now, particularly in my company NLR Group, is to grow the company, give people an opportunity to develop and have great lives, help our community, and help in service. I have goals too, but the goals are aligned with the vision.
TONY: I love it. And I want to point out something for the audience—vision casting is no secret. Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Arnold Palmer, Jim Carrey all talk about how they saw the future of their success before it happened. But there's a big difference: you didn't just have your vision and sit on the couch watching Netflix eating snacks all day. You went out and did something with it. You took the steps. And that's what makes the difference between accomplishing a vision and not accomplishing one. A vision can show you where you want to go, but eventually you have to take action.
And I think that's particularly important right now because entrepreneurs are dealing with an extraordinary amount of change. AI is changing how we work. Technology is changing how businesses operate. Customers expect things faster. And entrepreneurs have more tools available than ever before. But more tools don't necessarily make business simpler—sometimes they make it more complicated.
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Now before the break, we were talking about the difference between simply having a vision and actually doing the work to make it real. Eric now shares the remarkable moment when preparation met opportunity and how being ready changed the entire direction of his career.
INTERVIEW – PART 3 (THE SPEAKING BREAKTHROUGH: PREPARATION MEETS OPPORTUNITY)
ERIC: In nineteen ninety-six when I embarked on speaking, I would sit in my office and visualize myself speaking to a big audience—what the crowd would be like, what questions they might ask, what I might say. I was excited. I would go to different conferences just as a participant to see what it was like.
I had submitted my resume and expressed interest in speaking at a conference. They said, "Sorry, Eric, you don't have enough experience. We've already got our speakers, but you're welcome to come and sit in the audience." I said fine.
So I showed up. I was sitting there when one of the organizers tapped me on the shoulder and said, "Listen, I know this is off the cuff, but one of our speakers missed their plane. We've got a spot—do you think you're prepared?" I said, "I'm prepared."
Out of the blue, I was thrown on stage in front of four hundred and fifty people. I was only given twenty minutes. They had a clock in the back winding down. It got to eighteen minutes and they tacked on another forty-five. I delivered my full presentation and got a standing ovation. I walked off the stage and the CEO came over. They said, "We would love to talk to you about attending more of our conferences and having you as our keynote speaker."
I remember driving home saying to myself: it only happened because I was prepared. When you're a champion, when you're hungry for something, you always put yourself in a position that when opportunity knocks, you just open the door and jump in.
For your listeners—if you don't remember anything else from this broadcast, remember this: Michael Jordan said it. You will never make the shot you didn't take. You only have one chance on this planet. Don't live with regrets.
TONY: That's a brilliant quote. Inspiring. Now, having a vision isn't the end. Something happens that causes a person to lose momentum. What's the first thing that makes a person stop on their vision?
ERIC: Outside noise. That's what it is. And a lot of that outside noise is the negativity around you. Once you get on this track, the first thing you must do is eliminate people in your network who don't have vision for themselves. Recognize that as you go along, there are going to be people who envy you, who are jealous, who may try to stunt your growth.
Right now it's social media, the news, newspapers, colleagues, family members. Once you can eliminate that outside noise, you remain focused. My coach would always say when recruiting new players that he wasn't going to get the best player—he was going to get the best person to fit what they already had.
TONY: I completely track with that. Growing up in business, I always stayed away from naysayers who couldn't agree with another person's success. Keeping with the right people made success come a lot easier. For those who feel stuck and are working hard but not making it—how do they know if they're dealing with a real obstacle, a mindset issue, or moving in the wrong direction? How do they hold themselves accountable?
INTERVIEW – PART 4 (ACCOUNTABILITY: THE PLAYBOOK, THE ANALYTICS & THE POINT GUARD)
ERIC: I believe you should have some sort of chart, a spreadsheet, a playbook—some way to start developing daily habits and track your progress. Chart your wins, chart your losses. In sport today, analytics tells you how many shots you're taking, what percentage you're making, your energy levels. I believe in business and in life we should have analytics for what we're doing so you can physically see your growth, see if you're stagnating, see exactly where you are in your journey.
I also believe that if you're truly serious, you need at least one person monitoring you—someone to check in with. Call it a coach, a mentor. I'm not saying you need to spend money. Find somebody in your network who's willing to be your buddy, your partner, hold each other accountable, and have regular check-ins.
Here at NLR, we have check-ins every Wednesday morning where I address all the departments. After that, we have buddy systems where people check in with their point guards. Each department has a point guard and they talk about the daily workings within the group.
When we talk about getting out of a rut—I personally don't believe you can do it by yourself. You need someone who's not going to tell you what you want to hear, but what it really is.
TONY: I completely agree. You need a coach, a mentor, a consultant, a buddy—somebody tracking your progress to success. Whether it's a mastermind or however you do it, those who have that are far more successful than those who don't.
And the other thing—when you want to operate at the highest level, it's great to hear that other people who operate at that level have setbacks too. You don't want to see someone always successful and compare yourself wondering, "I bet they never had this problem." Pair with somebody so they can share their pitfalls and you can say: okay, I'm not alone.
I haven't counted exactly how many people I've interviewed, but it's well over five hundred millionaires, billionaires, household names in their categories. I can tell you that only one or two of all of them had their life handed to them. Everyone else had catastrophes, disasters, homelessness, loss—and they rose up and made it happen. Every single one, minus one or two. That's a lot to be said for resilience.
You can strengthen resilience. What are the ways leaders can do that when a crisis comes?
INTERVIEW – PART 5 (BUILDING RESILIENCE: ANTICIPATE, PREPARE & GO TO BASICS)
ERIC: One of the things is to anticipate that a crisis will come. And I've only gotten stronger through every crisis because you find a way to get through it. What I've always done and always tell people is this: because a crisis is coming, be prepared and already have contingency plans for when it arrives—whether it's health, relationships, finances, or work. Already be thinking about what you will do. Therefore, when it comes, you don't have to spend your energy fighting through the emotion and the fear. You start thinking: I already know what I'm going to do.
I had a knee replacement two years ago. The doctors told me beforehand about everything I was going to deal with—nerve pain, swelling, sleep discomfort, possible hallucinations from the drugs. I sat down and wrote them all down. Before the surgery I said: here are the things that are going to happen. When they start happening, just remember you've been told. As they happened, I checked them off one by one. And finally I got to the end of the list. I was up and walking with no pain because I was already prepared.
Whether you're an entrepreneur, a CEO, a sales manager, a crane operator, or an athlete—your day will come where you look in the mirror and question, "Why me?" I say: why not me? Because those who say "why not me?" go out and make it happen. And people around them can learn from them. That's what champions do. That's what leaders do.
TONY: I really like that. Eric gave us a different way to think about adversity. The difficult moment isn't necessarily the end of your opportunity—sometimes it's where the opportunity begins.
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And now back to Eric Bailey. Before the break, Eric was talking about what happens when adversity hits and why the strongest response isn't panic—it's preparation. Now we're getting into what entrepreneurs can learn from elite athletes about daily habits, discipline, and performing consistently at a higher level.
INTERVIEW – PART 6 (FROM ELITE ATHLETE TO ELITE ENTREPRENEUR: DAILY HABITS)
TONY: Eric, when that crisis hits in the first twenty-four hours, what's the biggest mistake people make?
ERIC: I think it's self-preservation. People go inward—"What am I going to do? How am I perceived for not having the answer?" Instead of just owning it, claiming it, and moving forward, they lose momentum and clarity.
I believe that once you know who you are and what you do, strategy is second and character is first. When I was playing basketball in a tight situation—a bucket needs to be made, coach calls a timeout, not much time left—the coach didn't spend most of that timeout on strategy. He spent it reminding the team: we already have a contingency plan for this. Go back to basics. Do what you're supposed to do. Don't be afraid of the moment, don't be afraid of the crowd—just go and do your best. Character.
When I get on stage for a workshop or working with a team, I know at that moment I'm not under pressure to deliver a presentation. I'm under pressure to change a life. And I love it. I'm honored and blessed to have that opportunity. Because of that, there's a calm, a peace. When all eyes are on me, I'm thinking: there's someone in this audience who's going to walk out of this room and say, "That's exactly what I needed today." That's how I deal with pressure.
So when a crisis hits—go to fundamentals. Go back to basics. What do you have?
TONY: I like that. Now—you went from professional sports to elite business leadership. You've built quite a model. What should our entrepreneurs today adopt from elite athletics?
ERIC: Daily habits. As an entrepreneur, you're often not in a large team with a ready-made framework for building your business. For a while I was in the network marketing space building a very successful business with teams around the world. It was lonely at times—just you coming up with ideas, motivating your team, managing the back office. You have to have a playbook. You have to have daily habits you execute every single day.
As a professional athlete, we knew what we were doing from nine in the morning to four in the afternoon. It was all laid out, all written. I just had to follow that framework. As entrepreneurs, we need to know every hour of the day what we're doing. If you track what you actually did for a week, you will find hours and hours of unproductive work—time that got away from you that could have been poured into the revenue side of the business. Unless you can track exactly what you're doing, you're wasting a lot of time.
TONY: Very important—track it. And I want to bring up something I didn't even understand when I first became an entrepreneur: being a leader. When someone talked about being a leader, I always used to think, "Who, me?" What do entrepreneurs and business owners misunderstand about being a leader today?
INTERVIEW – PART 7 (LEADERSHIP: LEADING YOURSELF FIRST)
ERIC: I think a lot of people feel you have to have a title, recognized credentials, or a name synonymous with a major brand. But I believe everyone is a leader—you just lead in different ways. Leaders are people who can change the course, the temperature, the dynamics of their circle of influence.
I've seen recognized people who were leaders but led badly and never took anyone along the journey with them. They're not really leaders. Real leaders are people who can actually change how people position themselves and how people can change their lives.
In order to be a leader, you must lead yourself first. A real leader is a person who is comfortable with themselves when nobody is watching. Who are you when the lights aren't on, when there's no one around? Great leaders can walk into a room and, without saying a whole lot, people aspire to be in their presence.
Too many people are star-struck with names rather than looking at the actions, the compassion, the things that make you want to be around that person or follow in their footsteps. Leaders are people who have footprints in the sand that you don't mind stepping into.
TONY: I like that—really something to ponder. Now accountability. We talked about it, but I want to come back to it. So many people resist being held accountable. Why is that?
ERIC: I feel they don't see it modeled from the top. In nineteen seventy-eight I graduated from high school and didn't initially get a scholarship to a four-year school. I was six foot six, but in high school I'd played power forward and center. In college that was too small, and I wasn't fast enough to be a point guard. So I had to go to Chemeketa Community College in Salem, Oregon.
My coach—it was also his first year as head coach—picked me up from the Amtrak station from LA. I thought he was taking me to my apartment. He said, "No, we're going to have a workout first." It was Saturday. We went and had a three-hour workout. He was working out with me—running suicides, shooting. Over the next two years, I became a junior college All-American and helped take the team to two championships.
The one thing I learned from him was that if you want your team, your players, your organization to rise to the top, they have to see you taking the lead. Show up and show your team exactly what winning looks like.
That gentleman changed my life and gave me the foundation of what true accountability was. He died just last week. His name was Rick Adelman—NBA head coach, one of the top winningest coaches of all time. He started his coaching career with me, and I started my college career with him. I attribute his teachings, his philosophies, and how he led the team to everything I needed to play at the highest level.
TONY: What a great coach. What a great story. Absolutely amazing.
Something keeps coming up throughout this conversation—direction. Whether we're talking about Eric's parents, his coaches, his basketball career, or what he teaches today, there was always something pulling him forward. A reason. Something worth working toward.
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Now back to Eric Bailey. Before the break, Eric shared the extraordinary story of a coach who didn't merely tell him about accountability—he demonstrated it. Now Eric takes us deeper into why accountability can be so difficult to accept and what happens when fear enters the equation.
INTERVIEW – PART 8 (TWO FEARS & THE NBA DRAFT STORY)
TONY: Being accountable helps create growth and success. But people resist it, and I think it's because they haven't burst through the fear factor yet.
ERIC: There are two parts of fear. The first is: you put in all this hard work and you never get to where you want to be. The other is: you do all this work, you get there, and then you lose people you thought were your friends or family because they feel you think you're better than them.
Here's what you have to think about. Even if you do all this work and don't arrive where you wanted, you will still be further along your journey than if you didn't try.
I wanted to get to the NBA. I hoped for it. The salaries were really good—I could take care of my parents. I did everything I possibly could. Then in nineteen eighty-two, I'm sitting at home watching the draft. Twelve rounds go by. I didn't get drafted. Family and friends in the house said, "Told you you weren't going to get drafted"—and they left.
I'm sitting there, sad, crying. My father said, "Son, let's go for a walk." We walked the neighborhood—1402 East Twentieth Street, downtown LA. Back then the homeless had just started to arrive. The gang violence, the police brutality, the poverty—it was all around. And as we walked, he said to me: "Had you not given one hundred percent, you would be destined to potentially live right here for the rest of your life. Just because you didn't make the NBA, just because you sacrificed, doesn't mean you didn't succeed. It just means that maybe right now it's just not for you."
Three weeks later, I got a call from Australia: "We saw you in the Summer League. We think you'd be a great addition to our team. We're starting our first NBL franchise down in Tasmania. We'd like you to come be our star." I never knew about Australia or the league. I never knew that was even a possibility.
Had I not picked myself up, gone to the summer leagues, and played hard—had I not been seen by that scout—I would not have had a fourteen-year career. I wouldn't have become a global motivational speaker. I wouldn't be the CEO of a multi-million dollar company. The fear almost stunted my growth. But instead, my dad reminded me: when you have disappointment, don't quit. Find a way to move to the next level. And that's why I'm here with you today.
TONY: That story literally gave me shivers. I love it. I really appreciate you sharing that. One more question—you're the CEO of a multi-million dollar corporation, speaking to millions around the world. You've helped high performers. What's the common habit you see in all of them?
INTERVIEW – PART 9 (LEGACY: MARY & JOE BAILEY'S GREATEST GIFT)
ERIC: Personal drive. I believe all successful people have a personal drive to never wake up with doubt, to never wake up with regrets.
My father—my mother died, and I went back to America to bury her. Then I brought my father here to Brisbane to live with us. He was eighty-eight years old. Within six months, he had his foot amputated—diabetes and gangrene. Another six months later, the doctor said they needed to take his leg. The night before the surgery, I was in the hospital, emotional. He looked at me and said: "Son, I don't want you to feel bad for me. You've created a great life here in Australia. You've been a great son. Whatever happens from here, I want you to know that I'm proud of you."
I drove home thinking: here's a man about to lose his leg, and he's so calm, so at peace with his life. My daughter said the nursing sister had called. I called back. She said, "Eric, I want to tell you—your father just died."
We drove back to the hospital. She told me what happened. As soon as I left, he'd called the nurses in and asked them to tell me: "My wife and I made a commitment that we would never die until we knew that you were ready to do life on your own. I didn't want to leave LA, didn't want to leave my friends and my home. But I made a commitment that one of us had to see him all the way to the end. Tonight, when my son came in, I could see the look of concern—but also the look of I've got this. I knew then I didn't have to fight this fight anymore. Tell my son I love him and I'm going to be with my wife."
The nurses left the room. They came back in five minutes later. He had closed his eyes.
When they told me this story, the only thing I could think about was what my parents did. They adopted me—a child who wasn't wanted, from South Central LA. They sacrificed everything. I gave them a new lease on life. They had something to live for and fight for. Their commitment was to stay on the planet long enough to make sure I was okay.
And now my dad had lost his wife of sixty years—could see that his son was ready to win that championship. No coach needed anymore. No mentor anymore. Ready to do it on his own.
Every single day I think about that story. I can't let them down. I know they're up there watching, and I want them to see me every single day living and appreciating and honoring the gift they provided.
That's why I give back to the world. That's why I'm a motivational speaker. That's why I have a company. That's why I tell my story all over the world. We have one shot on this planet to do exactly what Mary and Joe Bailey did for me: give what's needed and show every day what needs to be done. I just have to follow those steps.
True accountability. True growth. Personal pride. When times get hard, I think: I can't fail. My father didn't fail. My mother didn't fail. When times were tough, they kept going. I have a daughter, I have two grandkids. I want them to see that grandpa is not going to fail and will always be there.
The best legacy you can build is not what you can give someone. It's what you can leave inside them. That's what I want to take to my grave.
OUTRO
TONY: What good parents. What great mentors. Wow, what a story. Eric, I just want to thank you so much for sharing that with us. It struck a chord with me deeply. I just want to thank you so much for coming on the show. The information, the advice, the stories—just really great. It was truly an honor and pleasure to have you on, sir.
ERIC: Thank you. I appreciate it. I love what you do. I've watched some of your episodes. You're changing the world every show, and the world is thankful for what you do to put a smile on people and keep them uplifted.
TONY: You're very kind. Thank you so much.
Wow. Absolutely amazing. This really hit home with me. It struck a chord. I'm very deeply impressed by Eric and what he's accomplished.
Guys, if you like this, share it with your friends. Tell them about Eric Bailey. Tell them about his life, what he's been through and what he's accomplished despite obstacles, adversity, crisis, and catastrophe. You name it—he's had it. And look at him now. He teaches how to do exactly that.
Follow Eric and go to his website at EricBaileyGlobal.com. We talked about Championship DNA, vision versus goals, leadership, accountability, resilience, daily habits—and that story at the end. Just really, really powerful stuff.
And whatever platform you're listening or watching on, please follow the show. It helps to bring more amazing guests to you. All right. Let's use this information Eric gave us—very, very powerful—and let's help you move on your journey to success. Remember, just take action. Success awaits those who persevere and remain steadfast despite the odds. Sow good seeds, do good deeds. And I'll see you on the next episode.